Tunnels are staying… DMN 4/27/12

Vincent Ponte Dallas Underground Figure03 Perspective Drawings Esquire June 1968

To sum up Downtown Dallas Inc. task force’s report: The downtown tunnels aren’t going anywhere

By
rwilonsky@dallasnews.com

http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2012/04/to-sum-up-downtown-dallas-inc-task-forces-report-the-downtown-tunnels-arent-going-anywhere.html/

For years — years – there’s been a faction of downtown dwellers hoping to fill in the so-called Dallas Pedestrian Network, otherwise known as the downtown tunnels recently mapped out by friend of the show Noah Jeppson. As far back as ’05, then-Dallas Mayor Laura Miller told The New York Times that Vincent Ponte’s bright idea was “the worst urban planning decision that Dallas has ever made”; a year earlier, matter of fact, she told The News that “in a perfect world, the tunnels would be gone.”

And not long ago UCR Realty’s Jack Gosnell said Dallas is with underground walkways is akin to “a family with an eccentric cousin living in a basement.” On top of that, the Downtown Dallas 360 plan condemned their very existence:

Downtown’s extensive tunnel and skywalk system further exacerbates the city center’s poor ground-floor conditions. Originally proposed by Vincent Ponte in the late 1960s, the multi-level separation of pedestrians from Downtown streets has had perhaps the most damaging impact on street activity. By locating primary pedestrian circulation in underground tunnels or above-ground skywalk bridges, retail and service life effectively vanished from streets. As more and more buildings were built to tie into the multi-level circulation scheme, streets became relegated to automobiles and the less fortunate. Although the tunnels and skywalks continue to suck life from streets, the lifespan of many of these facilities and nearby office buildings is nearing an end. In addition, the physical, economic and social conditions bringing about the slow but sure transition back to ground-floor street life – which is a major tenet of the 360 plan – may ultimately spell the end of the retail activity in the tunnel and skywalk system. Future uses such as service and storage may become viable replacements for retail uses that are either drawn to the street level or regulated out of operation.

Last summer Downtown Dallas Inc. assembled a group of downtown stakeholders, among then Gosnell, to consider what in the wide, wide world of sports to do with the tunnels. And many meetings later, the group has released its report, which you can read in full below. But long story short …

“The tunnels aren’t much of an issue anymore.”

That’s how Downtown Dallas Inc. President and CEO John Crawford sums up the report this morning during a chitchat about its findings. Says Crawford, look, “there hasn’t been any redevelopment down there in 15 years, portions of the tunnels are closed, they’re closed at night and during weekends, and they’re not set up for residential purposes based on that. So at the end of the day, and with all the changes made at street level, they aren’t much of an issue anymore.”

The report’s recommendations are few: “incentivize street-level retail and street animation,” “develop public policies that discourage any expansion of the tunnel and sky bridge network” (with two notable exceptions, among them “substantial and significant public safety or public welfare reasons to allow them”) and “prohibit the use of public or DDI funds to subsidize any wayfinding system for the tunnels and sky bridges.” But other than that …

“Timing will take care of the issue,” says Crawford. “If we keep doing the job we’re supposed to do, they won’t be an issue.”

Tunnels and Sky Bridges Network Task Force Final Report and Recommendations FINAL

New Map of Dallas Pedestrian Network

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Noah has completed the new map of the Dallas Pedestrian Network – I highly encourage you all to visit his site and download the PDF. Thank you Noah! -Tait Lifto

“I’ve recently completed my updated map of the Dallas Pedestrian Network. The map was the result of a complete survey of the system and has been getting a lot of good response. Feel free to post the map to your website (with credit to Noah Jeppson) but I’d prefer people to download the PDF by visiting my website at www.noahjeppson.com. Maps are being distributed freely throughout downtown Dallas, but some people have opted to purchase them from my website.

Let me know if you have any questions. I also have many photos on my Flickr page and media stories about the recent effort to map the system are available on my site. http://www.flickr.com/photos/dfwcre8tive/sets/72157622055346282

Pictures – by Dianna

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Dallas Tunnels 1700 Pacific Entrance

Hey, if you’re interested… I went to work downtown in 2009 and I’m a bit (ok a LOT) of an explorer so I’ve combed through every inch of the tunnels.

Here’s my photo album from those “excursions.” Let me know if there’s anything else you would like for the site, like descriptions or anything.

Dianna

http://hitsquad.me/DallasTunnelsPhotos

D Magazine Article June 1975

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A reader of the website kindly sent me a PDF scan of an article from “D Magazine” from 1975.  He did state that it’s in B&W because the original article is actually in B&W.  Thanks so much Wil McBride – this article is really cool (and almost as old as I am – lol)

D Magazine Article June 1975  (click link on left – must have a PDF reader)

The article is called “A Night Under the Town” by David Bauer and is 3 pages long including pictures.  Remember, if you read the history of the Dallas Tunnels, this is very early on in the overall vision – it discusses signs to get to the Underground Dallas and mentions a “Below Ground Pedestrian Walkway System”, things that are an interesting blast from the past.  Also note that the tunnel system at this time in 1975 was very tiny

Noteable mentions:

  • The Kitty Kat Klub
  • Lucky’s Lounge
  • Santa Fe Railroad
  • Comparison’s to Atlanta (which ended up with a thriving underground)
  • A Hockey Rink discussion for the underground
  • Old Spaghetti Warehouse (opened in 1972)

D Magazine Article June 1975

Timeline of Dallas Underground System

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1940s:  Santa Fe tunnels and more widely used [read more]

1960s:  Master plan developed called for 2 underground systems: 1 for truck deliveries and 1 for pedestrians.  Details left to invdividual developers (which is why sometimes there are tunnels and sometimes overhead walkways).  Vincent Ponte developed multi-level pedestrian-way plan for Downtown Dallas in 1969.  [read more]

1970s:  Major gap seen in master plan with two giant uncompleted sections at Pacific Avenue and Akard Street which led to the City of Dallas raising money for the project in two sepearate bond elections.

1980s: Dallas’ famous commercial real estate bust in downtown left unrealized dreams.  Remember the eyesore foundation that remained at the North East of downtown for over 20 years?  Well, the underground system was not the highest priority of Dallas for awhile after this bust.

1990s:  1996, Dallas celebrates completing system with new overhead walkways and tunnel links.  What made it possible?  1600 Pacific Ave was sold to someone more interested in joining the tunnel system than the previous owner

2000s:  Laura Miller fights to do away with the underground completely.  Ryan Evans wants to combine underground retail and walkways with street level retail.  The city gives out HUGE incentives to see development in downtown include residential and street level retail which leads to a dramatic change in downtown Dallas.

Today: ???

Were there tunnels extending further than Houston and Elm Streets?

Were there tunnels extending further than Houston and Elm Streets?” -

Where can I enter the tunnels?

Where can I enter the tunnels?” I don’t know anymore – I’d use the map as a guide. I haven’t used the tunnels in over 7 years myself. But, I know that Thanksgiving Square was always a solid choice during business hours, or the basement of the Bank of America building.

Do you ever get nasty emails?

Do you ever get nasty emails?” In almost 15 years, I’ve only seen one. Some jerk from atstexas85@yahoo.com emailed me without his name berating me for not having a website. LOL – he complained about something that was free and had info you can’t find online elsewhere, wrote in caps and was just plain rude. Only time ever. Most annoying thing about his rant was complaining about me not having stuff on the site that is actually on the site. LOL – I guess he had trouble using the site.

Is there a larger map or one easier to read?

Is there a larger map or one easier to read?” – If you click on “Map” at the top, there is a very clear scan of the Downtown Dallas Map & Guide that Dallas actually published years ago. If the image appears small on your screen, that’s likely caused by your browser. Internet Explorer, for example, shrinks the image to fit your screen. If you move your mouse over the image and see a magnifying glass with a “plus” sign in it, then that’s likely what’s happening – just click on the image to see it full size. I scanned all these images and I’ve tested many times, so I know they work. The other thing to try is to right click on each image link and select “Save As” and save the images to your hard drive then open them locally.

Is there a subterranean lake that the Dallas Tunnels are part of?

Is there a subterranean lake that the Dallas Tunnels are part of?“. No, there is not. I’m not sure where this rumor started – perhaps there was at one time (although I doubt it), but in years and years of exploring the tunnels, I’ve never once seen a lake. There is a fountain, though :-)   It is possible that there was water in conjunction to the old power plant where Victory Park is now that was underground.  I know the old power company had an underground component.  Check out the History posts in the Categories to the right to learn more.

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